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E74: Recruiting Week: How many hoops is the right amount?

December 29, 2023


How do you currently tailor your recruitment strategy to match the demands of your sales process?

Pre-hire testing


Script memorization challenges


Follow up emails


Panel interviews


How many stages should you put in your sales recruiting process?


Well that depends on a few factors.

  • Show Transcript

    Hi and welcome to another episode of the sales experience podcast. My name again is Jason Cutter.


    This is episode 74 part four of recruiting week or I’m talking about how to recruit in the right way for your organization. Now a lot of these tips, a lot of things that I’m covering is not a one size fits all. There’s sometimes it is. However, a lot of times it’s just going to fit. It depends on your organization, your culture, the type of people you’re looking for.


    That’s why I covered it in episode 71 on Monday this week where it’s about the personality that fits best for you, but how to test for that, how to reverse engineer and create what that looks like for you and what that persona is that you know wins most of the time because people are people, people are messy, they’ll trick you and fully all the time with do you think they’re going to go one way and they go the other so you know you want to make sure you check up personality for you, your sales process, your sales cycle, and then everything else I’ve been covering this week.


    Today I want to talk about your process for recruiting after the initial interview or what your whole process looks like. In general. I think it’s very important to have your sales hiring, recruiting, flow, and match what it is that you have as a sales cycle.


    Okay. If your sales cycle is really long for your product or service for, let’s say it’s business to business and you’ve got a long sales cycle, it’s three months or six months, whatever that is. I’m not saying your recruiting process should be three or six months.


    However, I think that you should have something that’s comparable to that relative to your recruiting process. Same thing. If you have a one call close and it’s easy and it’s simple, then that recruiting process is going to be much quicker. It’s anywhere in between. You want to take that into account. Why do I say this?


    Well, it’s important to make sure that you put people through the paces of what matches what they’re going to be doing in the sales process. There’s a phrase that the military uses, which is practice like you fight, which means it’s not about let’s say paintball guns or plastic guns or plastic toys or you know, not really getting in the dirt and fighting or grappling.


    It’s about just going like you would go in combat, you know, don’t have combat the war zone. Have it be the time for discovery of how to actually fight or actually pull the trigger or actually jump out of the airplane.


    It’s about doing all of those things in advance and practicing that so it becomes second nature when you’re recruiting, especially for sales people, if you want to recruit like you fight like you want to recruit, like you sell and you want to put them through hoops and paces of what you expect.


    One example as a hoop to put them through would be if you expect your salespeople to memorize a portion of the script, one good strategy could be as you’re recruiting them as they’re going through the process, you haven’t hired them yet.


    It’s to give them a sample script that you then expect them to memorize in a certain amount of time. Could be hours, could be days, and then you bring them back in and have them do it for you off the top of their mind and see if they’re capable of that.


    If they can’t memorize that, how do you think they’re going to memorize the script sitting at their desk and be able to do it perfectly under the pressure of a phone call with a prospect who’s breathing down their neck? You’ve got a sales manager behind them. There’s all this pressure, all that training goes out the window, like literally the adrenaline’s running.


    They’ll forget everything. So if they can’t do it during the recruiting process, how can you expect them? There’s some people amazing at memorizing anything, memorizing scripts. There’s others, they’re terrible at it and you give them something to memorize.


    Then they’re going to freestyle and they’re going to ad Lib and they’re going to paraphrase it. And they’ll probably tell you that they did it exactly right. And they think they read it word for word from their memory when in fact they didn’t. And I’ll tell you just based on experience.


    So that same person will be the same person when they get in the seat where they’ll take your script, they’ll ad lib, they’ll paraphrase, they’ll think they’re doing it right when they’re in fact not. And then a, they won’t close deals or B, they won’t be compliant and they’ll cause all kinds of problems for you.


    So make sure you’re putting people through a level of testing hoops, challenges, and call backs. You know, one of the interesting things depending on the level that you’re at, is you want a tenacious salesperson. You want somebody, if your role calls for a tenacious salesperson or tenacious cold caller, you know, appointments set or whatever that might be, then you want to hire somebody and almost simulate that same process.


    If you need somebody who calls and is relentless and will call multiple times, then maybe you don’t want to be the one that’s always reaching out and following up with the applicant. You want to see, okay, if I give this applicant three, four days, are they going to reach out to me? Do they send a follow up email?


    Do they call me and say, Hey, I’m just checking in on my application and seeing when the next step is because how they handle the recruiting process, how they sell you on them, whether it’s aggressive, it’s outward, it’s pursuing it, it’s really going after it, or if it’s on the other end where it’s passive and they’re just expecting you to call them, they’re expecting you to close the deal for them.


    They’re expecting you to give them what they think is the right offer with the right terms and the right schedule. Both of those and anyone in the middle watching those actions really close during the recruiting process. We’ll tell you a lot about who that person is, their personality, their sales style and I’ll tell you based on my experience, most of the time that’s exactly who they’re going to be.


    Once their butt is in that seat, once they’re in that seat or on your retail floor or anywhere in a sales role, they going to be the same person they were during the recruiting process. And it’s important to make sure you build your process again, whether it’s the number of times you call or don’t call somebody. Like for me example, if somebody is applying for a job and it’s sales, I call you and leave you a message.


    I’m not calling you and leaving another message. I’m not chasing you. You should be chasing me. Cause if I’m chasing you and then what happens when I put you in the sales role, you’re going to expect all your prospects to be you as well. And it’s not going to work. Trust me. So you want to make sure that your process matches what you expect from the salesperson and the number of hoops.


    Maybe memorizing a script is important for you. And so you want that to be a test that you haven’t go through. Maybe computer based, you know it’s a lot of online stuff, but you know, they’re just going to be reading scripts. So what kind of tests can you give them there? How many hoops, how long of a process, you know, how long should you either drag it out or speed it up?


    What’s the right timing to create the right level of candidate who will go through those paces and then be able to be successful on your sales team in the role that you have? Four, right? If we look at the military, they have boot camp, you know, it’s six weeks at eight weeks, and then they go into something else and then they have more training and more training, more training. Literally, they’re not just taking somebody in and throwing them into battle.


    They’re practicing like they fight, they’re getting them set up, and they’re getting them ready and in my opinion that starts with the recruiting process. If you have a longer sales cycle and you’re just slamming people through or you have a sales process that involves some hunting down people and not just order taking on the inbound, then you’ve got to make sure you match that with your recruiting style.


    I hope that helps for the recruiters, the hiring managers, the sales managers, everyone involved with that process creation. If you listening to this, I hope this helps you build the right recruiting process and if you’re in sales or you’re looking to get into sales, keep that in mind as well.


    Just be really observant if you can’t have the hiring process and how a company goes and then also understand that you’re going to be you and you’re going to bring who you are and this is where it’s good to be mindful if you’re on the candidates side is that not every job, not every opportunity in every company is a good fit. You want to make sure that it feels right for you as well.


    If they’re having you memorize scripts and you don’t like memorizing scripts, you don’t like using a script, then that should be assigned that maybe that’s not the right organization for you.


    If they don’t have any steps in the process and they’re just hiring people at women, just whoever sounds good and has a pulse and they’re throwing them on the sales floor. If that fits for you and you know that you can adapt really quickly, you can learn things really fast.


    You’re going to put in the extra effort during work and after work to become really good at it and you’re okay being thrown into the game without much prep. Fantastic. Go for it.


    If you know you need more prep and you don’t have the skills or you need more kind of coaching and assistance, which is not a bad thing, but if you know that about yourself, then maybe that’s not the right organization. I appreciate everybody who listens to these episode. Thank you so much. Make sure to subscribe. Send me a message through the cutter consulting group.com website through LinkedIn.


    Always, remember that everything in life is sales and people remember the experience you gave them.


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The Danger of Doing Too Much as a Sales Leader Alright – so maybe they don’t need to go 90. In true servant leadership mode, you would go way more than 10% of the way to your team. But you have to be careful, as a sales leader. The inclination might be to do it all for them. To help them close their sales. To make excuses for them to your leadership as to why they aren’t closing more sales. Especially considering the very high likelihood that you are a sales manager because you were a great salesperson in the role that you are now managing. And there is a slight chance that you are a player-coach…so you are leading and selling. This can make it really tough not to want to run out on the field to win the game each time. But that doesn’t scale. That doesn’t lead to increased results. You can only sell so much as one person. Creating a Culture of Ownership So, you need to have people on your team that are coming to you. What does that look like? The pinnacle is a salesperson who doesn’t close a deal, comes to you right away and asks for feedback. They want some critiques as to where they could have done things better, different that would have led to the desired result – a closed sale. That takes a healthy level of ego by a professional who has the ultimate growth mindset. They know there are always ways to improve. They want to improve. And they are willing to risk their ego (and the internal, protective, primal part of our brain that doesn’t want to risk our place in the tribe) by asking for feedback that could be negative. Whenever you can, encourage that type of response. Ensure that the team knows that the team itself, and you as their leader, is a safe space – where the goal is to improve, grow, win and that everything done to support each other is done in that mode. They truly have to feel safe to share their mistakes and to get support in learning how to do more, better. Feedback That Drives Growth Part of this takes team and individual meetings that are actually filled with positive support. That doesn’t mean it’s always positive, motivational fluff. It’s not even about the shallow strategy of the feedback sandwich. Its about being real, honest, and empathetic – meaning “I see you are here, I know you want to be there, I will help you get there – even if its hard and it means saying hard things.” It should never feel mean or abusive or like an attack. But you can give some really direct feedback that will sting that ego I mentioned, but the person will know the intent behind it. The second part is hiring this type of person. Hiring people for the team that wants to win, grow, succeed. And they know that you don’t get better by being coddled, sheltered, or protected. You want people who don’t like the thought of perpetually living safely in their comfort zone. And they are excited about the opportunity to be a part of a team that pushes everyone, empathetically, outside of their comfort zone. Are You Leading or Just Managing? If you find yourself as a leader having to push your team, or going to them most of the time, or most of the way mentally – then they see you as a manager not a leader. They see you as someone who manages them, pushes them, and wants them to do things they don’t want to do. I have written some blogs here that go into what your role should be – as a leader, not a manager. Pulling people along with you, inspiring people, and supporting yourself with a team of people who want to win. Not just those that want to show up, do as little as they can and hopefully go unnoticed (yet – complain about not making enough money and how the comp plan isn’t fair, or the leads are bad, or their schedule means they can’t be successful.) Make sure your team knows that they need to come to you – at least 51/49. They should be asking for help, guidance, training, feedback, and support more than you are having to push it down onto them.
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If you have seen the movie Hitch, then you know the scene. Will Smith’s character (Hitch) is trying to coach Kevin James’ character (Albert) on how to finish out his upcoming first date. He is giving him pointers, one being that if his date fumbles with her keys at the door, it could mean she wants a kiss. So Hitch wants to see if Albert knows what to do – for a good night kiss. Hitch gives him the advice “you go 90 percent, and then wait for her to go 10%” which Albert then asks “wait for how long?” Hitch: “as long as it takes.” Albert leads in, Hitch is holding back to see if Albert will wait, and then Albert goes all the way and gives him a kiss. Hitch gets upset, and says “You go 90, I go 10 – you don’t go the whole 100%.” The Sales Analogy Kissing our prospective customers is not acceptable (just ask HR!). But the concept is the same. You don’t want to ever make 100% of the effort for your prospective customers. You don’t want to be the one who is doing all the work. Fundamentally, it is not good practice to want the deal more than the other person. When you go your 90, you need to wait – as long as it takes – for the prospect to go to their 10. And I would say that you want to go somewhere between 10-49, in reality. How Successful Sales Professionals Balance Effort Successful sales professionals know how far they have to go to meet the prospect where they are, while also knowing how much effort the prospect needs to put in to show they are committed. Where most salespeople get in trouble is they get desperate. They want the sale (kiss) more than the other person and they go the full 100%. Of course, persistence is important. And you won’t get what you don’t ask for (although…if you have followed me for any length of time, you will know I am very against having to ask for the sale). But you also have to ensure that your prospects actually want what you are selling. And they want it for their reasons and their motivations. They are driven to pursue your production option(s). They must go 10, 40, 60% of the way to you. The Pitfall of Chasing Your Prospect Just like courtship and relationships – if you find yourself chasing and one-sided-pursing the other person then it means you want it more than they do. It also means they own you. You are essentially begging them for the relationship – convincing, manipulating, begging, bribing, persuading your way forward. Which means they consciously and/or subconsciously know that they are in control. Because if they say no, you will keep pursuing and offering solutions. In sales – that looks like a salesperson who is calling, emailing, stalking a prospect – making offers, offering discounts and trials, and trying to find any way to make deal work. They are going 90-100% of the way for the prospect, not requiring them to go anywhere towards the agreement. This will end terribly. If they do decide to buy – taking the discount, free trial, taking the sale bait – they will not be happy (since they weren’t bought in for their reasons), they will look for reasons confirming why they didn’t really want to buy anyway, and they will know that they own you. Your company will have to convince them on a regular basis to stay in the relationship. The Right Balance for Customer Ownership You fundamentally need that prospective customer to come to you. Not 100% where you are just an Order Taker. But potentially 51% of the way – so they want it more than you. The more you can get them across that 50/50 threshold, the more they will be a satisfied customer. But remember – at 51/49 – they still need persuading, they still need to understand the value of your product for where they ultimately want to be in their life/business, and they still need your support. They lean in the right amount, you lean in the right amount = sales magic!
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