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E70: Telesales Week: Use your other senses

December 29, 2023


 How do you currently approach active listening in your sales conversations?

The biggest challenge that new inside salespeople have with selling over the phone is that you cannot see the prospect.


Biologically we come wired with the ability to pick up on the queues from someone’s body language and facial expressions.


All that is missing when doing telesales. How do you overcome that? Work on your other senses like a superhero.

  • Show Transcript

    Welcome to this episode of the sales experience podcast.


    So glad that you’re here and listening. This is episode 70 wrapping up telesales week where I’ve been talking about telephone sales related inside sales related topics to help you, the inside salesperson be more successful, have a professional career in sales and create of course, that sales experience for both you and the customer where everybody is happy and everybody is winning and everyone feels good about what has occurred.


    Really a lot of that is you feeling like your part in this and the experience that you’re creating for yourself and what you’re doing, what you’re selling and why you’re selling it is so important. That’s the first step. As I talked about in the last episode, nobody really cares about what anybody else thinks or wants, and so that could be a challenge. When you’re in a sales role and a, your prospects really just don’t care about you.


    Your goals, your needs, your rent or mortgage payment, your car payment, your job, your quota. They don’t care about your company, your product, your service. So you have to care. And it’s important that you create the right experience where you’re happy every single day going in, and then that will come across to your prospects and turn them into customers who are equally happy and love the experience that they had working with you.


    Now in this episode, wrapping up the week, what I want to talk about is taking it to the next level in the conversation, right? So to recap, talked about it’s a phone job. So you should be on the phone most of the time, not all the time, but most of the time. If you’re not on the field, if you’re not on the court, you’re never going to score. You’re never gonna win the game.


    So you’ve got to be out there. You’ve gotta be on the phone to. Same thing if you are knocking on doors, if you’re not out there knocking on doors, you’re never gonna make sales. If you’re just sitting in your car thinking about knocking on doors or if you’re procrastinating and sitting at the coffee shop, of course you’re never gonna make any sales that way.


    So you’ve got to be out there. Then you have to have a script of process tools that you follow. So you’re consistent most of the time so that when you know what it takes to win, you just replicate that over and over again.


    That’s what professionals do. Third, don’t sound like a telemarketer. Don’t sound like a salesperson. Don’t sound like that person that people don’t want to hear from that people don’t want to deal with that trigger all of us to feel like this is a sales interaction.


    And then the guards up and the what’s in it for you comes out the what’s the catch is response that people have. And so you don’t want to trigger that. So you want to do literally the opposite of what somebody else would sound like.


    That triggers that you want to do something different. And then like I said in the last episode is all about making it about them. It’s not about you. And your long monologue. It’s not about you and how great your product, your service, your company, your ratings, your BBB, your social proof, your testimonials, like nobody cares. At least in the beginning.


    They want to know what you’re gonna do for them. So make the, at least the first part of the conversation about them and what they’re going to get from this, how this is going to solve their problems, change their life, fix their situation, improve something, help them achieve their goals.


    That’s really the key. Now for this episode, bringing the city end, this is the hardest part for most people who go into a telephone sales role, where they’re doing things over the phone and not face to face, is to be able to be as effective in the conversations as you would in person.


    Now, there’s a significant advantage and we’re all wired this way as humans to be able to pick up on other people’s behaviours, other people’s facial expressions, the way they cross their arms or their legs, their body language. Now, some people have learned how to do that. Some people are a little more intuitive. You can get better and better at that, where you learn what those are.


    You see someone crossing the arm. Maybe that means that they’re kind of closed up and they’re shutting down and they’re not interested in what you’re saying, or maybe they’re just really cold.


    However, there’s all kinds of things. When you see someone face to face, you’re having an interaction with them. If they’re distracted, you can tell they’re not paying attention. They’re looking on their phone or they’re looking out the window or they’re, they’re dealing with things. Then you know, you don’t have their attention.


    They’re not interested in what you have to offer, and so it’s a different way. You should handle that conversation when you’re doing this all over the phone, you don’t have this advantage. All those natural biological, social things that we’ve learned to do our whole life, poof, gone out the window. You don’t have many more.


    All of these things we learn as a kid and then growing up in interacting with people you don’t have access to. The key is instead, if you’re going to make a run at a telephone sales related professional sales career, you’ve gotta become the master of active listening.


    Active listening is the practice of listening to what somebody else has to say, processing it internally and then responding appropriately. Now, why is it not just called listening? Well, here’s the challenge and this is the way most people are. It happens all the time. It’s a tough thing to turn off.


    I see this so much in interactions with other people. I catch myself doing it. We all fall into this trap where the other person’s talking and your thinking about what you’re going to say next. It happens so much in sales careers because the sales person has an agenda. If we go back to episode 67 where literally I’m talking about having a process, scripts and tools and a system in place.


    This can be a double edged sword because the sales person is thinking about the script, thinking about the process, thinking about the blueprint and while the prospect is talking, the salesperson, you are thinking about what you’re going to say next, which way you’ve got to go.


    If the prospect, the customer, the client asks a question, brings up an objection, some kind of issue, then while they’re talking about it, most people go into the mode of thinking about what their answers going to be and what happens is you can’t do both. It’s tough to think about what you’re going to say, plan out what you’re going to say and still be listening to what the other person says.


    Your ultimate goal in a telephone sales career, in any sales career and in relationships in life in general should be to get to the point where you can detach with worrying or wondering or planning on what you’re going to say next in that moment and instead actively listen, take in what the other person says, and then go from there.


    So this doesn’t mean not having a script. It means when you ask a question, for example, in your script for talking about sales, you asked that question.


    You listen for the response, you listen for everything, you pick up all the details of what said, what’s not said, and then you respond. Most of the time people say, okay, well, you know, they ask their qualifying question and then while the person’s talking, they’re kind of listening and then they’re thinking about their next qualifying question and then they’re going into the next question and they’re planning everything out.


    So you want to make sure that you’re always focused on what the other person is saying. I’ll tell you for me in particular, I think this is one of the things that has made me successful in any sales role I’ve had in the past, is that not just actively listening, like I have that skill and that ability to listen, but there’s also something special that you can do with listening to kind of get close to what you could do in person, which is listening.


    Like I said, for what they say, what they don’t say, pauses, inflections in their voice. You can pick up on a lot of things that you might be getting those cues in person, but you can hear a lot of that over the phone. And many times salespeople, especially going into a telephone sales role in the beginning, really struggle with that. They really struggle with the fact that they’re used to picking up on body language.


    Now they can’t. Now what do they do? And the difficulty is their brain is going like crazy, trying to figure out what they’re going to say, what they’re going to do next, how the process works, and so they’re not actively listening. And so they’re missing the cues that they could have picked up, but that’s not there.


    So they’re kind of shooting themselves in both feet by not listening, not picking up on those cues and you know, thinking about what they’re going to do next while also using the excuse of not being able to read body language, look into somebody’s eyes and then build trust that way.


    Right. A lot of people feel they can only build trust in a sales process by meeting face to face, shaking hands, making that connection. However, there’s a lot you can do over the phone. It kind of goes into what I talked about two episodes with not sounding like a salesperson.


    If you do that over the phone and you don’t sound like that person they’re worried about, then the relationship will be there. Active listening is so important, and I think that’s one of the most underrated things right now in our society in general, and I’m not going to blame technology. I’m not gonna blame social media, but I’m going to blame more attention and where people’s focus is these days.


    I think it’s one of the things missing the most, and I’ve talked about it before on the show and in a sales role. Your job is to be active listening to the highest level and that’s where you want to get to in your career.


    If you find yourself struggling, you’re not closing enough sales, you’re not getting consistent enough results. Make sure that you’re not overthinking all the time what you’re going to say and do next and you’re actively listening for the cues, for the answers, for what’s said, what’s not said by the other person and responding accordingly.


    You want to make sure that part is super important, is responding accordingly. Hopefully that helps. Hopefully all of this week, all of these episodes is enhancing your telephone sales career, your sales experience, what you’re providing. Make sure to subscribe, send me a comment.


    I love to hear from people. So many salespeople out there, sales managers, companies doing things, either having questions or having challenges or having success with these topics that I keep covering to make sure, send me a message through Cutter Consulting, group.com website or you can find me on LinkedIn. I’m on there like crazy posting all the time, trying to share as much as I can on the sales side with everybody possible to find me there. Send me a message, let’s connect.


    Always remember that everything in life is sales and people remember the experience you gave them.


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By Jason Cutter February 12, 2025
The Danger of Doing Too Much as a Sales Leader Alright – so maybe they don’t need to go 90. In true servant leadership mode, you would go way more than 10% of the way to your team. But you have to be careful, as a sales leader. The inclination might be to do it all for them. To help them close their sales. To make excuses for them to your leadership as to why they aren’t closing more sales. Especially considering the very high likelihood that you are a sales manager because you were a great salesperson in the role that you are now managing. And there is a slight chance that you are a player-coach…so you are leading and selling. This can make it really tough not to want to run out on the field to win the game each time. But that doesn’t scale. That doesn’t lead to increased results. You can only sell so much as one person. Creating a Culture of Ownership So, you need to have people on your team that are coming to you. What does that look like? The pinnacle is a salesperson who doesn’t close a deal, comes to you right away and asks for feedback. They want some critiques as to where they could have done things better, different that would have led to the desired result – a closed sale. That takes a healthy level of ego by a professional who has the ultimate growth mindset. They know there are always ways to improve. They want to improve. And they are willing to risk their ego (and the internal, protective, primal part of our brain that doesn’t want to risk our place in the tribe) by asking for feedback that could be negative. Whenever you can, encourage that type of response. Ensure that the team knows that the team itself, and you as their leader, is a safe space – where the goal is to improve, grow, win and that everything done to support each other is done in that mode. They truly have to feel safe to share their mistakes and to get support in learning how to do more, better. Feedback That Drives Growth Part of this takes team and individual meetings that are actually filled with positive support. That doesn’t mean it’s always positive, motivational fluff. It’s not even about the shallow strategy of the feedback sandwich. Its about being real, honest, and empathetic – meaning “I see you are here, I know you want to be there, I will help you get there – even if its hard and it means saying hard things.” It should never feel mean or abusive or like an attack. But you can give some really direct feedback that will sting that ego I mentioned, but the person will know the intent behind it. The second part is hiring this type of person. Hiring people for the team that wants to win, grow, succeed. And they know that you don’t get better by being coddled, sheltered, or protected. You want people who don’t like the thought of perpetually living safely in their comfort zone. And they are excited about the opportunity to be a part of a team that pushes everyone, empathetically, outside of their comfort zone. Are You Leading or Just Managing? If you find yourself as a leader having to push your team, or going to them most of the time, or most of the way mentally – then they see you as a manager not a leader. They see you as someone who manages them, pushes them, and wants them to do things they don’t want to do. I have written some blogs here that go into what your role should be – as a leader, not a manager. Pulling people along with you, inspiring people, and supporting yourself with a team of people who want to win. Not just those that want to show up, do as little as they can and hopefully go unnoticed (yet – complain about not making enough money and how the comp plan isn’t fair, or the leads are bad, or their schedule means they can’t be successful.) Make sure your team knows that they need to come to you – at least 51/49. They should be asking for help, guidance, training, feedback, and support more than you are having to push it down onto them.
By Jason Cutter February 3, 2025
If you have seen the movie Hitch, then you know the scene. Will Smith’s character (Hitch) is trying to coach Kevin James’ character (Albert) on how to finish out his upcoming first date. He is giving him pointers, one being that if his date fumbles with her keys at the door, it could mean she wants a kiss. So Hitch wants to see if Albert knows what to do – for a good night kiss. Hitch gives him the advice “you go 90 percent, and then wait for her to go 10%” which Albert then asks “wait for how long?” Hitch: “as long as it takes.” Albert leads in, Hitch is holding back to see if Albert will wait, and then Albert goes all the way and gives him a kiss. Hitch gets upset, and says “You go 90, I go 10 – you don’t go the whole 100%.” The Sales Analogy Kissing our prospective customers is not acceptable (just ask HR!). But the concept is the same. You don’t want to ever make 100% of the effort for your prospective customers. You don’t want to be the one who is doing all the work. Fundamentally, it is not good practice to want the deal more than the other person. When you go your 90, you need to wait – as long as it takes – for the prospect to go to their 10. And I would say that you want to go somewhere between 10-49, in reality. How Successful Sales Professionals Balance Effort Successful sales professionals know how far they have to go to meet the prospect where they are, while also knowing how much effort the prospect needs to put in to show they are committed. Where most salespeople get in trouble is they get desperate. They want the sale (kiss) more than the other person and they go the full 100%. Of course, persistence is important. And you won’t get what you don’t ask for (although…if you have followed me for any length of time, you will know I am very against having to ask for the sale). But you also have to ensure that your prospects actually want what you are selling. And they want it for their reasons and their motivations. They are driven to pursue your production option(s). They must go 10, 40, 60% of the way to you. The Pitfall of Chasing Your Prospect Just like courtship and relationships – if you find yourself chasing and one-sided-pursing the other person then it means you want it more than they do. It also means they own you. You are essentially begging them for the relationship – convincing, manipulating, begging, bribing, persuading your way forward. Which means they consciously and/or subconsciously know that they are in control. Because if they say no, you will keep pursuing and offering solutions. In sales – that looks like a salesperson who is calling, emailing, stalking a prospect – making offers, offering discounts and trials, and trying to find any way to make deal work. They are going 90-100% of the way for the prospect, not requiring them to go anywhere towards the agreement. This will end terribly. If they do decide to buy – taking the discount, free trial, taking the sale bait – they will not be happy (since they weren’t bought in for their reasons), they will look for reasons confirming why they didn’t really want to buy anyway, and they will know that they own you. Your company will have to convince them on a regular basis to stay in the relationship. The Right Balance for Customer Ownership You fundamentally need that prospective customer to come to you. Not 100% where you are just an Order Taker. But potentially 51% of the way – so they want it more than you. The more you can get them across that 50/50 threshold, the more they will be a satisfied customer. But remember – at 51/49 – they still need persuading, they still need to understand the value of your product for where they ultimately want to be in their life/business, and they still need your support. They lean in the right amount, you lean in the right amount = sales magic!
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