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By Jason Cutter November 20, 2024
Here we are. Finaly at the Sales Success Trait that most sales ops leaders want to focus on: Persistence. Like the other articles – make sure to read this one [ https://go.sellingeffectiveness.com/LI.11.18.PM ] about the trait for salespeople and this one [ https://go.sellingeffectiveness.com/LI.11.19.PM ] for leaders.  If our goal is to build a recruiting, interviewing, hiring process where we want to identify and hire for these traits, how do we look for (and set someone up for) Persistence? The “Killer Question”: A Double-Edged Sword What most hiring managers look for is a candidate who asks the ‘killer question’: “When can I start?” Yes, that question is a great indication of a strong, confident salesperson, it can also be sign of trouble. Let me explain. You just got done with the first, or maybe second, interview. It’s early in your process and timeline for hiring. Then you ask them if they have any questions for you. They respond with, “No, no questions. Only – when can I start?” You get excited. You have found a killer. It’s exactly what you want a salesperson to do and say. This is probably what’s missing with the current team – someone who asks for the sale. But this isn’t necessarily a sign of something you truly want. Why Asking for the Sale May Signal a Lack of Process I know the standard advice is that you should always ask for the sale. You don’t get what you don’t ask for. And if most salespeople would actually ask, they would close more sales. But a professional shouldn’t have to ask for the sale. They should just assume the sale and move forward. I won’t go into full detail on why, but think about when you go to the doctor – do they ask you if you want the prescription that will help you? Or to fix your broken arm? Or to do the brain surgery to remove the tumor they found? No – they don’t ask, they assume. They followed a process, they are a professional, they know what should come next. Salespeople who must ask for the sale probably do not have an actual sales process. They are just jumping in and using their natural talking skills to try and move the prospect forward. [Note – of course there are times that you need to ask certain prospects if they want to move forward, but generally you shouldn’t have to.] So, when your candidate, especially very early in the hiring process goes in for the close, what do you think they will do with your sales interactions? They will do the same thing – go in early and hard for the close. Question for you – will that work for your prospects? Will they want to be sold hard? My guess is No. So how do we test for Persistence if its not waiting and watching for the ‘killer question’? Testing for True Persistence By testing them and their true desire to get the job. Here’s how… Somewhere around interview two or three (depending on the length of your process), tell that you are working through all the candidates in this round, and that you will be getting back to them and everyone else by a certain day and time (Friday, 5 pm). Then tell them that if they haven’t heard from you by then, to follow up – ensure they have your email and phone number. Tell that sometimes you get busy, and you won’t ghost them, but you might get stuck and not update them by then. “Feel free to reach out to me for an update, if you haven’t heard from me.” I tell this to all the candidates I like and want to move forward. Then when Friday at 5 pm comes, I do nothing. I don’t reach out to anyone. I don’t contact or update anyone. I just wait to see who reaches out. Why This Approach Works You see, how they treat this interview and job-hunting process is the same way they will treat your sales pipeline and follow ups. Ever had a salesperson who literally won’t make a single follow up call to their unclosed prospects? (Silly question…of course you have…you might even have a team full of them.) If someone won’t reach back out to you about a job they said they wanted, there is no way they will treat your leads any different. People are who they are – especially when they don’t think anyone is watching (which is the theme of these sales ops, hiring articles for the Sales Success Traits). What you are now waiting for is anyone who reaches out - that emails, calls, or texts you to check in. And who does it in a professional way (not creepy/stalker, not desperate, etc.). The Candidates You Want to Move Forward That is your candidate that you want to move forward. What about the ones who disappear and never follow up? What if they are amazing on paper and crushed the first interview(s)? Don’t reach out to them. Fight the urge. Mark them as a ‘No’ and move one. Don’t chase them, because if you do – then they own you in the relationship, and you will have to chase/nag/bribe them to do their job for the time they are with you (until you give up and fire them). Trust me – this process works really well and will identify your ideal candidate at a deeper level than the resume and standard interview questions will ever show you.
By Jason Cutter November 19, 2024
Let’s talk about how to effectively lead a team in full support of Sales Success Trait #4: Persistence. [Make sure you read my article for salespeople about it first – https://go.sellingeffectiveness.com/LI.11.18.PM ] Persistence: Not the Only Tool in the Box Here is the key – the Hammer of Persistence cannot be the primary, only tool being used. It is in fourth place for a reason. You might have succeeded as a salesperson which led to your promotion to management because of your Persistence. You value and prioritize Persistence. Most likely that’s because you took the other traits for granted – you assumed that Openness and Curiosity were what everyone did naturally. You probably feel that the thing separating successful salespeople (like your) and others who didn’t make it is just Persistence. That is possible – it is possible that those that didn’t stay in sales lacked the Persistence piece. Building Persistence in Your Team So how do we cultivate this in your team? First, we have to have the Creative trait – that mental muscle they build for coming up with different solutions and tactics to overcome the various obstacles that pop up. Before you can be Persistent, as I mentioned in the previous blog article, we must be Creative. With Creativity as part of the foundation, we can add in the Persistence trait. One way I have found to build Persistence within salespeople is with what I call Negative Outcome Forecasting. Lessons from Foreclosure Sales Early into my professional career, I started working with people who were in foreclosure. They had received a notice from the county (stapled to their door, like you see in the movies, and in the mail) that told them they had 90 days to get caught up or the house was going to auction. If you haven’t paid your mortgage in six months, another 90 days won’t matter much – because the total amount of money needed just keeps building with the fees and interest. So many people were in denial. They wanted to keep their home but had no way of paying for it. Some people had got a mortgage with a payment that they could never afford, and it finally caught up to them. I would do all I could to help them, persuade them, try and get them to take action. But many times, they were so stuck with their heads in the sand that the house would go to auction. When it did, I would go to the courthouse steps and watch it go to the highest bidder or back to the bank. This wasn’t to gloat about the fact that they should have listened to me. It was to see what failure from a sales perspective looked like. Not that I could do it all for them – they had to take steps, but I still took it personally that if I had been better at persuasion they would not be homeless (again, not burden to truly bear). Applying Negative Outcome Forecasting to Sales I learned to use those experiences in any sales role that I have been in. I ask myself “what is the worst-case outcome and path that this person/business would end up on if I don’t persuade them to buy from me?” Negative Outcome Forecasting is a great and powerful tool for salespeople, especially those that resist using Persistence. The ones that lean more towards being Order Takers. The ones that feel like Persistence and Urgency are gross (they don’t like it when it’s done to them). Sit down with your team and have a discussion of what the worst-case life outcome would be like for your non-customers. The ones that have a need/want that you could help them with. If you go down the full path, it will typically lead to financial ruin, divorce, health issues, maybe even homelessness. “But we just sell CRM systems, it’s not life or death.” “But We Just Sell CRM Systems…” Correct…but it could be. What if they don’t buy your CRM? That means they are using their current one that isn’t working. Or they don’t have one at all. Which means they can’t get a hold of all their data and activities, will struggle with keeping up with prospects and customers. Which will lead to lost revenue despite increased costs of salespeople and/or marketing. Less revenue than projected will lead to layoffs. Once you start cutting salespeople, then you have a serious problem, hoping to just sustain revenue off current customers. When that starts to dry up, then what? Go out of business. Number one reason for divorce is financial issues. Top reason for health issues, heart attacks, and suicides is financial issues, stress, and financial ruin. Again – you’re not just selling a CRM. Conclusion Now – one big note…don’t use this mindset strategy to start Fear Monger selling. That is terrible and gross. But use this visualization to empower your team to be Persistent – for the right reasons. For the reasons that matter most to your prospects, not to your salespeople. Make it about the other person, and it’s easier to be Persistent.
By Jason Cutter November 18, 2024
To recap the Sales Success Traits we have discussed so far… Openness Curiosity Creativity And, in case you skipped the first three articles in the series, this order of priority is important. I truly don’t think someone can be Creative, unless they are Curious. And they can’t be truly Curious unless they are Open to anything, everything – new ideas, concepts, opinions, experiences, etc. When we talk about selling effectiveness, if a salesperson isn’t Open or Curious, they won’t think about Creative solutions to challenges, because they won’t think that they need to do anything different. They will typically believe they know all they need to know (since they aren’t Open or Curious) and so when they experience a problem, set back, obstacle or challenge – they will think it’s someone’s problem or fault. “It’s not my fault people aren’t opening my emails. Must be the server. I am not going to change my subject line or how I do it. It used to work for. If it doesn’t work, then its some other reason than me.” All these mindsets build on each other, and again – in this order. Now for #4 – the reason you are here and…the BIG ONE. Why would I say this is the BIG ONE? The BIG mindset that everyone focuses on? Because ‘classic’ sales mode is all about this one and prioritizing it over everything and anything else. Sales Success Trait #4: Persistence. Yes, that’s fourth on my list. Not first, like most people in sales would assume. Not based on what salespeople are taught, or what they learn from salespeople in movies and TV shows. The general theme of Boiler Room and Wolf of Wall Street is not Openness and Curiosity. It’s Persistence. Constant, full-on Persistence. That is prioritized and celebrated more than anything else. Again, in ‘classic’ sales mode, it’s about Persistence. In that mode, it’s about getting someone to say yes, no matter what. Sure, there is some Creativity in it, but that is just a tool to be used with Persistence. Think about how Time Share salespeople try to keep someone from leaving, by throwing as many layers of salespeople/managers at the person, hoping to just get them to buy. That’s Persistence. Now, I am not saying that Persistence is bad. On the contrary, it’s very important. It’s critical for success in anything. If you can’t push past a difficulty, barrier, being told no, not getting your way right away – then you won’t follow through with anything in life. Persistence is a HUGE mindset to develop and have in life. As Les Brown says, if get knocked down seven times, get up eight. In life, relationships, the world, and sales – you will get knocked down. Over and over again. The key is to avoid getting knocked down. The key is to not stay down. Get back up, dust yourself off, keep going. In sales, that’s all about persistence through challenges, obstacles, when things aren’t going your way easily. It’s about doing more with the opportunities you have instead of just hoping, wishing, and waiting for the easy opportunities (laydowns). It’s about getting better and being better than your challenges. Of course, the basic example is overcoming obstacles. That is what everyone thinks about when it comes to sales, as a standard ‘requirement’ of people a salesperson. It’s why a lot of people don’t even want to get into sales – they don’t like the thought of having to ‘convince’ someone, overcome objections, and the confrontation that comes with the role, in their minds. But here is the key – objections aren’t a requirement! And when they do come up, they should be simple to overcome because if you have done your job as a sales professional, then it’s just the prospect’s fear kicking in and you have to help them move past it. And there are lots of areas of sales where Persistence is the key to short and long term success. The important part is that, like the other Sales Success Traits, you can develop the mental, mindset muscle of Persistence. You can learn how to push yourself further and further each time. Similar to if you had a goal of climbing a big mountain, you can’t just hike all the way up Day 1. You have to do part of it, turn around, rest, recover, and try and go further next time. You would want to spend time in the gym working on specific muscles. You would train to develop the needed muscles and endurance to make it to the top. It takes Persistence to stick with it, even when you have yet to get to the top. One of my favorite line (I believe from Might Ducks) – Winners never Quit. Quitters never Win. Don’t quit – that’s the key to success. You won’t always win, but you will NEVER win if you constantly quit. Now…it’s very possible I triggered you at the top with putting Persistence fourth on the list…and you have been scrolling through the article looking for when I explain it’s so low on the mindset list. Well, here you go. Like those ‘classic’ salespeople and tactics, and the movies that I referenced, Persistence on it’s own as a tool is gross when not prioritized appropriately. If someone is not Open (about to learning, feedback, new ideas/concepts, strategies) and Curious (about people, their industry, companies, value of the product, about people – yes that’s on here twice) and Creative (to come up with new ideas, strategies, solutions)…and they are just hitting everything in the world with the Hammer of Persistence, then they end up coming across as a Self-Centered, Repellent, Persistent Jerk. When someone thinks that Persistence - and only Persistence – is the key to ‘success’, the experience can feel terrible from the other end. In sales – we have all experienced that. A Persistent-only salesperson doesn’t listen to you, doesn’t ask questions, doesn’t respect or maybe even care what you are actually wanting…they only have their agenda. Best example of this has been times when I have been in the middle east, where there are bazaar type shopping areas or streets, and the vendors are so ‘Persistent’ with their approach – they don’t care what I might want, like, not like – they just see an opportunity that they feel they must capitalize on. Remember – Persistence is important. It is a key to success in anything. But it’s not first on the list.
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